Posts by Joey Jo-Jo

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If Jehovah Wanted Only "One Flesh" For "Mates" Why Did He Sanction The Having Of Man Wives & Concubines?

by minimus in

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according to the bible, king solomon was blessed by jehovah with riches, wisdom and women---lots of them!.

Joey Jo-Jo

Apparently the torah and most of the books from the old testament were addressed to the Jewish community ONLY, not for the gentiles at all.

The NT completly disregards this fact, starting from the oldest book of the NT Mark gentiles were not bound by the laws of the torah like circumcision.

Eventually the newer the NT texts the more anti-jew they become, Paul calling them the sons of the devil yet in Mark 15:2 Jesus said to Pilate that he was king of the Jews.

To this day christians continue to speak of the OT and new covenant and jesus being a christian speaking aramaic while the facts show Jesus not to be the messiah of the OT, OT was not an open letter to gentiles and Jesus was a jewish speaking hebrew.

Marcion was right all along, the god of the NT is not the god of the OT.

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Growing up a Jehovah's Witness - New Video

by jwfacts in

i have put together a video - growing up a jehovah's witness 1960 -2010. it aims to show the things a witnesses would be taught as they age over those decades.

it is 15 minutes long.

this is my first attempt at a video and it took a while to work out how to use final cut, so please feel free to make suggestions if anything should be changed.

Joey Jo-Jo

I like it, simple, effective, straight to the point, does not offende anyones intelligence.

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Running into a brick wall- conversations without logic

by Joey Jo-Jo in

i had this experience with a family member, lets say you say something against the witnesses doctronic and they dont say anything back, you ask them why are you not replying and they say "well you dont believe in us anymore".. what should i say back, something that wont offend them but goes straight to the point, you see they dont want to use their brains, they just want to listen at their halls about the end and apostates and how special they are and how false the rest of the world is and how they are the only true religion that follow the commandment to preach.

but it does not matter what i say, doesn't matter how big it is it seems to have the reverse effect, it was alot easier before but now a conversation comes which they dont like they shun my conversation, yet they show me love, they dont touch whats the big issue, the big problem which is communication, and they maybe expected me to wake up, go back to the hall like nothing ever happen, like preaching is only for people who like what they hear.

im babling on but you get the idea.. .

Joey Jo-Jo

A lot of good points, are steven hassans books available on pdf form and how much are they?

simon17: If you mean by converting to showing them that they are a false religion then yeah, if you know something is wrong isn't it normal to worn the other person? But jw's know better than using logic or common sense, now I can speak from a christian or agnostic perspective, I can say that jesus is the way an not a organization or I could say that jesus made a lot of references to the book of the dead, they believe in the bible therefore its more effective to use the bible as my sword.

This isn't just about converting, you and I know this religion is bull and its not going to last, and from whats going on watchtowers and conventions I dont like were this is going, I think the virgen old farts know this and are doing their best to make a quick buck, but at the cost of shunning others and in the future "spiritually weak" jw's, people have died for this religion from their teachings, what we dont need now is another jonestown, you get the idea.

Tuesday there was an earthquake in melbourne, at the dinner table they asked me if i knew about the quake, i said yes and then they said about being prepared blabla (for a normal earthquake), they aspect me to wake up like they were right all along, that they are the only religion that speaks of these things as sign that the end is near and that they are right, but they say these things without actually saying it, its like incoded language, thats what bugs me, if this really was the true religion than what is the big deal in actually speaking, communicating like normal human beings? Let me read this franz book and ill tell you whats wrong with it, no this never happens and there is not a scripture that supports their idea of shunning information because its a cult and with all cults they dig themselves deeper and deeper underground.

ambersun: thats right they dont understand but they dont want to understand, but as you say it could be worse

black Sheep and mad sweeney: I had tried that in the past and it works but they know my agenda, my fault.

Quandry: thx I have it easy, I could only imagen what it would be if I was bathtised, my faded cousin is doing worse and he's not even an apostate, being shun by his dumb sisters and parents.

Giordano: sorry to hear

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Running into a brick wall- conversations without logic

by Joey Jo-Jo in

i had this experience with a family member, lets say you say something against the witnesses doctronic and they dont say anything back, you ask them why are you not replying and they say "well you dont believe in us anymore".. what should i say back, something that wont offend them but goes straight to the point, you see they dont want to use their brains, they just want to listen at their halls about the end and apostates and how special they are and how false the rest of the world is and how they are the only true religion that follow the commandment to preach.

but it does not matter what i say, doesn't matter how big it is it seems to have the reverse effect, it was alot easier before but now a conversation comes which they dont like they shun my conversation, yet they show me love, they dont touch whats the big issue, the big problem which is communication, and they maybe expected me to wake up, go back to the hall like nothing ever happen, like preaching is only for people who like what they hear.

im babling on but you get the idea.. .

Joey Jo-Jo

Soeey, what I meant was they are saying "offcourse we dont want to talk about it, you no longer believe in the truth"

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Running into a brick wall- conversations without logic

by Joey Jo-Jo in

i had this experience with a family member, lets say you say something against the witnesses doctronic and they dont say anything back, you ask them why are you not replying and they say "well you dont believe in us anymore".. what should i say back, something that wont offend them but goes straight to the point, you see they dont want to use their brains, they just want to listen at their halls about the end and apostates and how special they are and how false the rest of the world is and how they are the only true religion that follow the commandment to preach.

but it does not matter what i say, doesn't matter how big it is it seems to have the reverse effect, it was alot easier before but now a conversation comes which they dont like they shun my conversation, yet they show me love, they dont touch whats the big issue, the big problem which is communication, and they maybe expected me to wake up, go back to the hall like nothing ever happen, like preaching is only for people who like what they hear.

im babling on but you get the idea.. .

Joey Jo-Jo

I had this experience with a family member, lets say you say something against the witnesses doctronic and they dont say anything back, you ask them why are you not replying and they say "well you dont believe in us anymore".

What should I say back, something that wont offend them but goes straight to the point, you see they dont want to use their brains, they just want to listen at their halls about the end and apostates and how special they are and how false the rest of the world is and how they are the only true religion that follow the commandment to preach. But it does not matter what I say, doesn't matter how big it is it seems to have the reverse effect, it was alot easier before but now a conversation comes which they dont like they shun my conversation, yet they show me love, they dont touch whats the big issue, the big problem which is communication, and they maybe expected me to wake up, go back to the hall like nothing ever happen, like preaching is only for people who like what they hear. Im babling on but you get the idea.

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Can angels flap their wings

by Joey Jo-Jo in

where did this idea that angels came from the sky flapping their wings?

were in the bible does it say that angels had wings?

aren't angels just messangers?.

Joey Jo-Jo

No serious lol, good point Knowsnothing, but cherubs spoken in ezekiel and rev refer to angels?

zidina: what im trying to understand is that in the first five books the word angel or messanger did not refer to a celestial being.

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Can angels flap their wings

by Joey Jo-Jo in

where did this idea that angels came from the sky flapping their wings?

were in the bible does it say that angels had wings?

aren't angels just messangers?.

Joey Jo-Jo

Where did this idea that angels came from the sky flapping their wings? Were in the bible does it say that angels had wings? aren't angels just messangers?

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Theology

by sabastious in

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theology is the study of religion and religions are human systems of spirituality.

it could then be said that theology is the study of the applications of human spirituality.

human spirituality is a chosen way of life.

Joey Jo-Jo

still thinking beat me to it, godrulz it doesn't hurt to show a little bit of humility once in a while, you can also make your own decisions if you dont agree, the catholic canon was put together with a political agenda, read about constantine he's the author.

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Theology

by sabastious in

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theology is the study of religion and religions are human systems of spirituality.

it could then be said that theology is the study of the applications of human spirituality.

human spirituality is a chosen way of life.

Joey Jo-Jo

yes, I agree, I also got that impression, but there are things mentioned that are hard to ignore and refute.

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Theology

by sabastious in

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theology is the study of religion and religions are human systems of spirituality.

it could then be said that theology is the study of the applications of human spirituality.

human spirituality is a chosen way of life.

Joey Jo-Jo

godrulz im a free thinker but I dont have the answer to everything, you might find this book interesting to read, if you end reading it let me know what you think.